tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post6260734409933320295..comments2024-03-21T01:26:40.397+00:00Comments on John's Toy Soldiers: The First Jets - Messerschmitt Mythsjohnlambsheadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09984916178605250835noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-2072730733718688742016-04-17T14:12:41.611+01:002016-04-17T14:12:41.611+01:00I thought the Aden was British. Mind you, I though...I thought the Aden was British. Mind you, I thought the GPMG was British. :)John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-61161275439703198402016-04-15T15:56:07.554+01:002016-04-15T15:56:07.554+01:00Dear John (and Mr Gerrish)
The MK 108 was remarka...Dear John (and Mr Gerrish)<br /><br />The MK 108 was remarkably light and had a hell of a wallop, but it was extremely slow-firing. It was actually possible to miss a B-24 ahead and the miss behind with the next round of the 'burst'.<br /><br />The MK 103 in the Do-335 was a wholly different weapon (much more effective but also massive).<br /><br />The post-war ADEN and DEFA 30mm cannon had nothing to do with the MK-108 in the Me-262. They were developed from the (also German) MG-151, originally 15 mm but upscaled to the MG-151/20 by the Germans during the war.<br /><br />Nice models, John.<br />Dave Dave Dralehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129140646117868155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-55943546680072748292016-04-15T10:23:38.256+01:002016-04-15T10:23:38.256+01:00Indeed! Indeed! John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-30000791148907683542016-04-15T10:23:30.775+01:002016-04-15T10:23:30.775+01:00I intend to post more on the early jets. Most of t...I intend to post more on the early jets. Most of the Luft 46 stuff should be classed alongside megapanzers with cruiser turrets. Space shuttle bombers..... Puhleese. John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-31703901095357897742016-04-15T10:22:49.723+01:002016-04-15T10:22:49.723+01:00I intend to post more on the early jets. Most of t...I intend to post more on the early jets. Most of the Luft 46 stuff should be classed alongside megapanzers with cruiser turrets. Space shuttle bombers..... Puhleese. John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-14055589734828385572016-04-15T10:20:29.283+01:002016-04-15T10:20:29.283+01:00Indeed! Indeed! John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-30392200426275345592016-04-13T21:43:53.180+01:002016-04-13T21:43:53.180+01:00True enough you really only needed one hit with a ...True enough you really only needed one hit with a 30mm to shred a fighter.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07110242706356932952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-38984366848607946882016-04-13T21:40:42.604+01:002016-04-13T21:40:42.604+01:00Yes, I think you will always find admirers and fan...Yes, I think you will always find admirers and fanboys of German 'wunderwaffe' technology pushing these myths. I always smile when they froth over the sometimes 'revolutionary' but mostly impractical 'paper planes'designs.<br />None of them would have worked anyway as the Germans could not build a decent jet engine. The Me-262 could indeed have easily been the first operational jet had it not been plagued with engine problems. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07110242706356932952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-37101960316067978932016-04-13T21:08:08.185+01:002016-04-13T21:08:08.185+01:00The 30mm was probably better for aces,which is all...The 30mm was probably better for aces,which is all the Luftwaffe seemed to care about but I agree that the 20mil was a better weapon for the average pilot. John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-15042902741309566282016-04-13T21:06:46.753+01:002016-04-13T21:06:46.753+01:00I agree Roger but I get miffed by all the casual s...I agree Roger but I get miffed by all the casual statements that the 262 was the first operational jet fighter.John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-25559545881538037702016-04-12T22:52:19.457+01:002016-04-12T22:52:19.457+01:00As for jet to jet combat I think I would prefer th...As for jet to jet combat I think I would prefer the 4 x 20mm of the Meteor vs the 4 x 30mm on the 262. The 30s were great bomber killers but the 20s with a better rate of fire and with nearly double the ammo might be better in a dogfight. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07110242706356932952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-3657009725543925522016-04-12T22:36:18.206+01:002016-04-12T22:36:18.206+01:00There are still some aviation historians that insi...There are still some aviation historians that insist that the 262 entered service with Erpobungskommando 262 in April 44, but as this was a trials unit that could be debated. But then again the one Meteor equipped flight of 616 might be classed the same.... I reckon it might be classed as a dead heat Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07110242706356932952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-1887501918870806002016-04-12T21:28:41.403+01:002016-04-12T21:28:41.403+01:00That's a very interesting comment. I don'...That's a very interesting comment. I don't know but I suspect the Fw 190 was a more coast effective machine. John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4447293089931737000.post-58022263801504144942016-04-12T21:01:57.084+01:002016-04-12T21:01:57.084+01:00Aside from the actual duel, it would also be inter...Aside from the actual duel, it would also be interesting to see a cost/benefit comparison of the two fighters... the Germans being known for "wasting" money on super weapons. Lasgunpackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529298072677726064noreply@blogger.com